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 Gore's Speech2004-05-27 15:10
by Flemming Funch

Al Gore gave a good speech:
George W. Bush promised us a foreign policy with humility. Instead, he has brought us humiliation in the eyes of the world.

He promised to "restore honor and integrity to the White House." Instead, he has brought deep dishonor to our country and built a durable reputation as the most dishonest President since Richard Nixon.

Honor? He decided not to honor the Geneva Convention. Just as he would not honor the United Nations, international treaties, the opinions of our allies, the role of Congress and the courts, or what Jefferson described as "a decent respect for the opinion of mankind." He did not honor the advice, experience and judgment of our military leaders in designing his invasion of Iraq. And now he will not honor our fallen dead by attending any funerals or even by permitting photos of their flag-draped coffins.

How did we get from September 12th , 2001, when a leading French newspaper ran a giant headline with the words "We Are All Americans Now" and when we had the good will and empathy of all the world -- to the horror that we all felt in witnessing the pictures of torture in Abu Ghraib.

To begin with, from its earliest days in power, this administration sought to radically destroy the foreign policy consensus that had guided America since the end of World War II. The long successful strategy of containment was abandoned in favor of the new strategy of "preemption." And what they meant by preemption was not the inherent right of any nation to act preemptively against an imminent threat to its national security, but rather an exotic new approach that asserted a unique and unilateral U.S. right to ignore international law wherever it wished to do so and take military action against any nation, even in circumstances where there was no imminent threat. All that is required, in the view of Bush's team is the mere assertion of a possible, future threat - and the assertion need be made by only one person, the President.

More disturbing still was their frequent use of the word "dominance" to describe their strategic goal, because an American policy of dominance is as repugnant to the rest of the world as the ugly dominance of the helpless, naked Iraqi prisoners has been to the American people. Dominance is as dominance does.

Dominance is not really a strategic policy or political philosophy at all. It is a seductive illusion that tempts the powerful to satiate their hunger for more power still by striking a Faustian bargain. And as always happens - sooner or later - to those who shake hands with the devil, they find out too late that what they have given up in the bargain is their soul.
Glad he gets himself together to say it as it is.

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27 May 2004 @ 15:15 by vibrani : That's the man
for whom I voted. I still think it's too bad he didn't become President for many reasons not mentioned in his good speech.  

27 May 2004 @ 15:48 by ming : Gore
Although I thought he was standing for some good things (like the environment), I wasn't sure if he was made of the right stuff to be president. But this speech at least shows he can have the guts, and that he has the idea of what it is about, and what responsibility is involved.  

27 May 2004 @ 17:49 by Quirkeboy @ : The man most of us voted for...
The man you voted for.. and most of the rest of us!!
I love the bumper sticker I've seen recently:
Let's not vote George Bush president again!!
I'm looking forward to Michael Moores new movie dealing with 9/11..  

27 May 2004 @ 19:46 by vaxen : made of?
you really should do the relevent background research on this sheister. wonder how much heroin, cocaine, and, of course, brown & root are paying him now to resell 'out' his country and what little, if any, this sap sucker has left of conscience! i suppose i really should give the pertinent link but this 'conformist' (his mothers words about him) is so far gone i'll let you do your own research. believe gore? ha! i have a really pretty bridge that overlooks the hudson river that i would really like to sell you cheaply. let's make a deal.


oh yeah. talk is really cheap. not gore talk though. this liar comes at a handsome price. ask the buddhists he swindled. ask the chinese to whom he sold state secrets. ask anybody 'in the belt,' who knows, about al, conformist, gore. may he rot in hell!  

28 May 2004 @ 12:07 by quinty : Al Gore
I kind of like Al Gore nowadays. And the speech he gave recently struck just the right note. "How dare they," he said, allow Abu Ghraib to happen. And all the rest. I would rather give Gore the benefit of the doubt. Vice presidents, as a rule, tend to disappear, lose themselves. And even can become corrupt, as Hubert Humphrey did. (In our current case he, Cheney, already came corrupt.) No, if Gore were running again he might strike a different tune. The Bushies like to chastise us for being "angry," as if unreasonably so, and "Bush haters," as if irrationally so, confusing vehement criticism, which they deserve, for "hatred." Gore may have his faults, but his speeches to MoveOn have been magnificent, and a reminder that there are responsible politicians in this country who are fed up with Bush's escapades. "How dare he!.... " Right on!


28 May 2004 @ 12:14 by jmarc : i must correct algore
ok, not i must. i enjoy correcting algore.
The Geneva convention has been honored. The Geneva convention applies to combatants in uniform, and says nothing of terrorists, or spies either for that matter.  

28 May 2004 @ 12:41 by Quinty @ : Here's a NY Times comment
on Al Gore's speech. http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0528-04.htm

If you should be interested...... Quinty  

28 May 2004 @ 13:42 by ming : Geneva Convention
Well, did you read {link:http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm|it}? "The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance." And, no, it doesn't apply to combatants in uniform. It applies to prisoners of war, which includes those who used to be combatants in one form or another, and those who had taken up arms for any other reason, whether or not anybody had asked them to, and it includes people considered to be associated with any of those folks, whether they had guns or not. And, no, the point is not that the Geneva convention is a particularly nice way of treating soldiers. We're talking about war. If we weren't, we would be talking about civil and criminal law, rights to lawyers and having to be let go after 24 hours without being charged, and that kind of thing. No, there's no right to torture particularly bad people anywhere in that picture. Not in international law, not in the U.S. constitution, not even in the rules of engagement for any army run by any civilized country.  

28 May 2004 @ 20:01 by ming : The same
I don't think the choices are remotely the same. Sure, in politics one very often gets the same no matter what side one votes on. In U.S. politics it has rarely made much difference whether it was a republican or a democrat. They did pretty much the same stuff, but just talked about it differently. Nothing much to get up in arms over.

But Bush and his people, or the other way around - they're playing by totally different rules it seems. Not even bothering to do the politics part much. Just setting their own rules, getting a couple of TV networks to do your PR work for you, and not worrying much about what you get caught doing. I can understand if Gore is surprised and horrified. These guys normally concede defeat so gracefully and congratulate the new president, because they know that things aren't going to be that different. Well, this time it was. The guys who looked like ordinary politicians, as soon as they faked winning the election they pull off their masks, and its the Manson Family, whacked out of their skulls, with their fingers on the button. But half the population still sit behind their TVs and it looks like just little squabbles about political positions, and everything looks normal. Others are absolutely horrified. The U.S. has been humiliated and disgraced in the face of the rest of the world, and a great deal of its own citizens. By a small group of people who don't pay much attention to intelligence or traditional advice about what U.S. governments do. It is scary.

I'm not even sure how they can get away with it. Yes, normally I'd expect it is roughly the same kind of backers and handlers that run the presidency. Which I'd expect to be very smart people, even if I might not agree with their bigger agenda. But this time it seems like just a bunch of teenage kids left home alone, who're trying to run the world, based on something they saw in a videogame.

Maybe it is an intentional part of a bigger plan. To accomplish what? Remove the U.S. from the position of sole superpower? Maybe. To make everybody suddenly love politics as usual, because it seems so much better by comparison? Could be. To make the world seem so surreal and out of control to us that they can pull some even bigger and weirder thing next? Introduce the 12ft alien overlords from Draco who will now run the world government and make everything alright? I don't know.  

28 May 2004 @ 20:20 by ming : Links
Gunter, I use the syntax meant for newslog owners doing links in their articles, like (with some extra spaces, to make sure it shows) : l i n k : h t t p : / / m i n g . t v | m y w e b l o g ... and then you put curly brackets around. So, it is link: followed by a url, optionally with a vertical line followed with the text that should show. And the starting and ending } brackets around the whole thing.  

29 May 2004 @ 00:46 by b : Lawyers aren't rogues?
Maybe there won't be an election.  

29 May 2004 @ 05:33 by ming : Puppets
Indeed, the Bush Show demonstrates either that the puppet can take over and do his own thing if he's reckless enough, and that there was more power in the presidency than we expected; or that the puppet masters have gone crazy, or have an ingenious plan we haven't figured out yet. Getting cheap oil in Iraq just doesn't cut it.  

29 May 2004 @ 08:23 by vaxen : Ever hear of...
" The New American Century?" The Neo Trotskyite plan for world governance. International investment bankers will make a bundle as will Hallib urton, Brown & Root and affiliates. It is about oil and so much more. THe 'President' is merely an executive. The executive of a Bankrupt Corporation called 'The United States Government.' Go back to 1913 and the passage of the 'Federal Reserve Act.' Study the names of the people who were behind that heinous act. Paul Warburg, for one, a decided 'Rothschild lieutenant. J.P. Morgan. the Rockefellers, etc., interesting little group. Then in 1933 came the bankruptcy and Congress was bought...step by insideous step. Also read what Andrew Jackson had to say about the vipers behind the destruction of this Republic.

The Bush Crime syndicate is only one of the corrupt families playing the game. Gore is right up there with them. It is all about 'control' and rip off of the peons they shill. The ordinary people who are too stupid and dumbed down to see that they are being swindled by an international monetary elite practicing usury to a degree unheard of in the annals of human history. Not only usury but genocide and wholesale ecocide for their own profit. The committee of 300? Read between the lines you'll get it straight. It's easy to make a speech and mind control this dumbed down group of slaves who think they haave freedom. Newspeak, doublespeak,l all the same kind of coercive mind control, behavior modification...for a handsome profit.  

29 May 2004 @ 13:52 by jmarc : The High Contracting Parties
undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.
Terrorists are not one of the high contracting parties. They have not abided by the Geneva convention. In contract law, when one party reneges on the contract, it becomes null and void.
Also the TERRORISTS do not meet the criteria set down in article 4 section 2 most notably subsections b, c, and d.
Been there, read it.  

29 May 2004 @ 14:51 by sharie : A terrorist is anyone who creates terror
The high-contracting parties you mention include Dick Cheney, and his wife, who sits on the Board of Directors for Lockheed Martin, which is the world's largest weapons manufacturer.

Any thinking person recognizes the weapons industry as a terrorist.

A politician who's married to a weapons manufacturer receiving multi-billion dollar contracts from the politician is a TERRORIST. He creates the terror (the fake documents), and she rakes in the billions on the side. How simple is that.


Thanks for the post and comments.  

29 May 2004 @ 15:43 by ming : Terrorists
jmarc, I guess you're demonstrating well how well-meaning people can be brought to overlook such things as the Geneva convention and the U.S. constitution. And keep overlooking it even if you go and read it. Just read it with different glasses on and suddenly it didn't say what it used to say. A little double-speak about how terrorists are different kinds of people who put themselves outside civil society, so therefore we can freely arrest a bunch of people and torture them, because maybe they sort of might be terrorists, or they might know some.

Again, no, just because people aren't prisoners of war according to the Geneva Convention, it does not meen they're free game to arrest and mistreat without any regulation. A lot of the time it just means they had nothing to do with the war in the first place, but just were standing on the wrong street corner at the wrong time. And regular folks typically have rights that go much further than what the Geneva convention is meant for. Not fewer rights.

The people you see on the prison pictures from Iraq were the large majority nothing remotely close to terrorists. And, no, not soldiers either. Like, a camera crew from Reuters went through the same treatment. And most of them are just let go afterwards, because, well, there wasn't really anything to torture out of them.  

29 May 2004 @ 18:43 by jmarc : reading it
with different glasses on and suddenly it didn't say what it used to say."

well, i consider people that organize suicide bombings and the other digraceful acts which are being committed by the insurgents to be acts of psychopaths. Obviously you think they aren't and there lies the difference. Because i know if you thought these people were psychopaths then you would have no problem with {LINK:http://www.newciv.org/mem/persnewslog.php?did=10&vid=10&xmode=show_article&amode=standard&aoffset=43&artid=000010-001209&time=1085880942|having them taken out and shot, if you had any say about it.} Or locked away for good at least. Or have an easily recognized symbol tatooed on their forehead so that nobody will trust them to attain any position of power. Now does that meet the geneva convention?  

31 May 2004 @ 16:11 by ming : General People
Things go wrong when we start confusing specific people with some general and abstract group. Based originally on some entirely different specific people. Suddenly it seems alright to capture and torture some pretty random people from a street corner, who aren't terrorists, but who possibly, maybe, might know something important about some. Because terrorism is a really bad thing.

Abu Ghraib wasn't a place one kept terrorists. I'm sure they had a different procedure in mind for known terrorists than letting some random reservists watch over them, and some civilian contractors interrogate them.  

19 Dec 2014 @ 15:46 by Imoohi @ : jttGUJDNVeZOcfRK
Because it is a hoax. Do sum research, geunios. Its actually the sun. It has a cycle in the solar system. That what it DOES!!!! Things gets cold, then they get hot. Sum people remain poor, others, like al gore and his made up global tax/ warming scam, made billions for his stinkin greedy self!  

23 Dec 2014 @ 15:57 by Caroline @ : jyWAsTMrXrYzLBFwrye
Dear Mr. Gore,As a member of the Climate Reality Project and its St. Louis chtaper, I would not miss your Dirty Weather Report . Ever since the early 70 s, I have been connecting the fossil fuel dots from gas lines and skyrocketing prices through pollution and global warming to rising sea levels and climate change. Although it is too late now to avoid the current weather disasters (like SuperStorm Sandy), we may still be able to turn the tide in time to save our species, if we all work together, and quickly! Thank you for your leadership and candor.  

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