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 Instigators of the Mohammed controversy2006-02-09 20:46
by Flemming Funch

It is always interesting to uncover exactly who did what as part of a sequence of steps that led up to some monumental event. Pearl Harbor involving the US in WWII, the Tongking Incident getting US into the Vietnam War, the Gulf War starting after Iraq invaded Kuwait. In each of those, things weren't quite what they seemed. Somebody desired the end result, somebody wanted the war, but they needed an excuse, so they engineered things so that the other party clearly looked like the aggressor, in a sufficiently offensive way. And history easily overlooks the fine details of who said what to whom just before.

It is a simple psychological principle of how person C covertly can create a conflict between person A and person B. Quietly tell each of them a different offensive story about each other. "Hi A, B said that you're a pig", "Hi B, did you hear that A thinks you're a moron". Sometimes that's all it takes. If that little act of mingling remains hidden, A and B can't easily figure out why they don't get along, because the cause of their strife is a fabrication.

Now, here there's the current angry and violent uproar in the Muslim world against, well, some cartoons. And the bewilderment and counter-reaction that creates for everybody else. And any neutral observer might be puzzled how come a few seemingly insignificant cartoons published in a Danish newspaper can create such a reaction in populations far away who never have seen that newspaper or been anywhere close to Denmark.

It turns out that it isn't really what happened. Turns out that a group of prominent Danish Muslims travelled to a series of Muslim countries, arranged for meetings with high-ranking government officials and clergy and presented them with a 43 page dossier, meant to demonstrate how badly Muslims are treated in Denmark, and to invite support to influence the Danish government in opening up for more immigration of Muslims.

It is just that these lobbyists padded their case quite a bit. They tried to gather newspaper articles to show that Muslims and Islam are treated badly. And they included those, now famous, 12 cartoons from Jyllands Posten.

They also got the bright idea of including some material that hadn't been published anywhere, like some hate mail some of the muslim organizations in Denmark had received. You know, some racist anti-Muslim letters, and some offensive cartoons and pictures. Yes, some pictures that a Muslim maybe legitimately could find reason to be offended by, that aimed deliberately at denigrating Islam. Again, it was stuff that some anonymous individual had sent to some Muslims in the mail. A picture of a "pig person" taken from some French news service from a totally different context, where somebody had added the text "Here is the true image of Mohammad". And a picture of a praying muslim, with a dog jumping on his back, trying to copulate with him, and the text "That's why Muslims pray".

Now, most European newspapers wouldn't think of publishing anything like that, and they didn't.

But this little group of lobbyist presented to the Muslim world that this is how the Danes see them, this is what is published in the newspapers, this is how they're treated.

Which is false. It is a fabrication. If it wasn't a deliberate attempt of instigating anger against Denmark in the Muslim world, it was at least terribly dumb of them to twist the evidence.

But, as any kind of conflict that has been created through false information, it is very hard to clear up. It is usually the worst part that sticks in people's minds, and when one is far from the actual scene, one easily mixes up who's who, and one ends up generalizing things unreasonably.

Note also that often it is crusaders for one cause or another who end up perpetrating that which they're crusading against. The U.S. Government is the biggest distributor of child pornography in the world, because the FBI and the Postal Service tries to set up and catch pedophiles. So, they print and mail child pornography to people to see if some of them happen to keep it, so they can arrest them for it. Likewise, in this case, the people who have unleashed an avalanche of anti-islamic cartoons on the Muslim world is a bunch of Islamic leaders from Denmark. A few Imams from a little nordic country have succeeded in making all members of their religion look like barbaric lunatics in the eyes of most of the world. They've succeeded better at that than countless suicide bombings, terrorist attacks, etc. Well done. Maybe it wasn't exactly what you had in mind, but this was probably the only chance you'll get, so tough luck.

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10 Feb 2006 @ 00:39 by Some French Dude @ : ...?
"Note also that often it is crusaders for one cause or another who end up perpetrating that which they're crusading against. The U.S. Government is the biggest distributor of child pornography in the world, because the FBI and the Postal Service tries to set up and catch pedophiles. So, they print and mail child pornography to people to see if some of them happen to keep it, so they can arrest them for it."

You have proof to back this up ?... frankly that sounds to me like the kind of outrageous claim that some crazy imam could have made against the USA.

Just my 2 cents, not trying to be a troll :)  

10 Feb 2006 @ 01:19 by Dr. Shred @ : Ming's Comment
A quick google search on the phrase

"The U.S. Government is the biggest distributor of child pornography"



which supports Ming's comment.  

10 Feb 2006 @ 01:31 by Some French Dude @ : ..thanks for the link
"Project Looking Glass" was the name given to a U.S. Postal Service investigation designed to uncover purchasers of child pornography. The Postal Service apparently obtained names of potential targets for the investigation from raids of distributors of nudity-oriented videotapes. "

well, ok then. The law enforcement method may be unethical... but it was effective and for a just cause.
... but saying bluntly "The U.S. Government is the biggest distributor of child pornography in the world" is misleading.

my 2c again  

10 Feb 2006 @ 02:07 by ming : Unethical
Thank you Shred, that was exactly what I was thinking of.

And, no, French Dude, I don't think it is misleading. Lots of idiotic things have been done for a "just cause". Trying to persuade people to get into child porn, in order to then arrest them is just entrapment, and probably has greatly worsened that particular problem. But the point is, murder is murder whether you think it was a good idea or not, and child porn is child porn whether the government does it or some guy in his garage.

So, likewise, a small group of imams from Denmark have gotten more blasphemous Mohammed cartoons into more hands than probably anybody in history, and have probably succeeded in getting more Mulims insulted than anybody in history. That their motivation maybe was the opposite just shows that they maybe were idiots, but otherwise just clouds the issue of what they caused.  

10 Feb 2006 @ 02:22 by Some French Dude @ : US gov
Yeah, but the US govt didn't distribute child porn to make a profit of it or hook people on it like a real "distributor" would do.
It sent it to selected people whose name appeared on lists seized from other porn distributors which, presumadly, were already engaged in some kind of illegal activity otherwise their record wouldn't have been seized.

It wasn't much different in my opinion than sending undercover DEA agents to meet drug buyers/sellers.  

10 Feb 2006 @ 03:13 by Dr. Shred @ : Ming's Comment
French Dude,

If you read the link I provided it states:

"The Postal Service apparently obtained names of potential targets for the investigation from raids of distributors of nudity-oriented videotapes.
There was no evidence that Brase had ever ordered an X-rated video or violated any of the nation's obscenity laws. In 1987, Brase had been married for ten years and was the father of two children. He had no criminal record, and there was no evidence that he had ever sexually abused children...
On October 22, 1987, a grand jury in Omaha indicted Brase for allegedly receiving by mail a videotape showing minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct. Eleven days later, Robert Brase drove his pickup truck to a seldom-used county road nine miles from Shelby and shot himself. Brase was one of four persons indicted in the government sting operation to commit suicide."

I'm not trying to justify child porn, a reprehensible evil. However, to arrest and prosecute innocent people on false pretenses is worse than child porno itself. Solving a problem by creating a greater evil is pure folly.  

10 Feb 2006 @ 10:37 by nemue : I Agree
I think that child porn is inexcusable regardless of the motive. When innocent people are caught up in the plan to trap others (and then kill themselves)then this is tragic and the US Government & the UPS operatives should be charged with manslaughter. This is reallt disgusting.  

10 Feb 2006 @ 14:20 by jmarc : Instigators
It goes deeper. There is a reason that denmark was chosen as the focus of the spotlight. Which country is about to be brought before the UN security council, and which country is the acting head of the security council going to be from when this comes about? iran and denmark. Be careful of how your embassador to the Un votes on this Denmark, as you can see, things could go badly for you.
You see, it's just a friendly warning from the ambassadors of the religion of peace.  

11 Feb 2006 @ 07:34 by johnnyboy @ : islam: religion of murder
i think my subject heading says it all. when are these islamic terrorist pieces of shit going to fight like real men? instead of blowing up women and kids and stuff. fight mano a mano osama. you turd eating monkey. but you'd probably just trip over your turban when you took a swing. probably too many bombs in it. just like mohammed's turban.  

11 Feb 2006 @ 12:52 by Mustafa TATAR @ : İnsanlık ayıbı
Bu şekilde sağda solda medeni insan sıfatıyla gezen insanları hükümet,yerel halk,sosyal camia,meslektaşlarının aralarında barındırılmaları bile müthiş bir insanlık ayıbıdır.Tüm bu olup biten rezaletin içine karışan ,olmasına müsade eden kişi veya kişilerin insan sıfatı alıp rahatça gezmeleri rezaletin ne boyutlarda olduğunun açık bir göstergesidir.Uygarlık denince lafta mangalda kül bırakmayan avrupanın bu denli dengesiz davranışlara müsade etmesini miğdem kaldırmıyor.Ama sıradan bir Türk vatandaşı olarak ülkeme bir DANİMARKA vatandaşı girmesini sindiremiyorum ! Benim için bundan sonra bu insanların sıradan bir terörist den hiçbir farkı kalmamıştır.Hele hele bir tane Danimarka vatandaşı bana gelipte medeniyetten söz edecek olursa , ki avrupa vatandaşlarının standart kaprisidir ! O kişiyi öyle bir benzetirimki , işte o zaman onu gören herkes asıl karikatür nasıl olur çok iyi anlarlar.Bize fikirlerimizi belirtmemiz adına bu imkanı sunan site çalışanlarına başarılar dileyip saygılarımı sunuyorum.  

11 Feb 2006 @ 21:11 by bushman : Also, considering,
"Corporations have been enthroned
An era of corruption in high places will follow and
the money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on
the prejudices of the people . . until wealth is aggregated in a few hands
. . . and the Republic is destroyed."
[Abraham Lincoln]


12 Feb 2006 @ 06:16 by nemue : Broad Bow
Johnnyboy, Islam is by and large not a religion of murder. It has been used as such by those with their own agenda but to brand Islam and all of its followers as such are not fair. For the record throughout history Christians have also done their fair share of blowing up women and children. They are not blameless.

Prejudice is the Child of Ignorance.
William Hazlitt
1778 - 1830)


13 Feb 2006 @ 00:14 by swanny : Pseudo Meme
Whole thing seems to strike me as
a global pseudo meme of sorts.
Sort of using the US Admin gamebook for some reason,
not that it has much sustainability though but
perhaps a little short term gain of some sort.
Actually many seem to be enjoying the confusion or ?  

14 Feb 2006 @ 16:28 by Jon Husband @ : Mohammed Cartoons being used ...
.. to stage-manage public opinion to further support the US' eventual decision to bomb or perhaps invade Iran.  

14 Feb 2006 @ 22:13 by swanny : Canada's PM...
Here's what our PM had to offer.
Not to unclear.

February 14, 2006
Ottawa, Ontario

Prime Minister Stephen Harper today issued the following statement:

“Free speech is a right that all Canadians enjoy; Canadians also have the right to voice their opinion on the free speech of others. I regret the publication of this material in several media outlets. While we understand this issue is divisive, our government wishes that people be respectful of the beliefs of others. I commend the Canadian Muslim community for voicing its opinion peacefully, respectfully and democratically.”  

14 Feb 2006 @ 22:30 by swanny : My Apologies
My Apologies Sir

It should read...

Way to go Honorable Prime Minister Harper.
ed j  

15 Feb 2006 @ 23:34 by Ed Dawson @ : I notice...
I notice (Flem)ming teaching 3rd party law, and scanning through the comments no one commented on that!

He just laid out the mechanism for starting wars! LOL!
Ed J D  

16 Feb 2006 @ 05:08 by jill @ : denmark

16 Feb 2006 @ 21:48 by ming : Starting wars
Sssh Ed, don't give anybody any ideas now.  

17 Feb 2006 @ 20:58 by jobrown : Apropå's INSTIGATORS
.... how's this for a Reality check?

This time it is Iran, that will receive the jolly surprice visit!.... the Puppets literally dying to spit on such an evil People!.... Yeahhh.... the Big Boys know what they are talking 'bout, no dou'd 'bout that!
...and then one day the last Puppet will be transported to a Better Place, while he(she)singing the jolly Lune-tune; "they are coming to take (read: 'put') me away, haha..." Noooo Problem!!! ; ) /// *!* Evvvrything's under control! Sure. ^!^

BTW, can Instigators ever be INNOCENT in/of their actions - regardless "who" they are???
Isn't it the ACTIONS that makes someone to something -not their birth place, "colour" and other such bio things.... but ONLY actions.... which always are a result of one's psychology at any given time? Who can in all earnesty object to that (Logic) with a straight face, I wonder...

"Wag the Dog" -deja vue....all over again!  

21 Feb 2006 @ 15:00 by no_name @ : let allah's curse for who organized that
hey danish people, you, friends of devil, up to your death, say what you want
and soon you will see the results of your bad words on Muhammad (s. a. w)
hell is enough for who are enemies of Allah  

21 Feb 2006 @ 19:04 by johnnyboy @ : no name
of course you have no name. you're a coward and wussy. i'll fight you personally face to face. how about it? why don't you try to come kick a texan's arse!? you big flea bitten nerfherder.  

13 Mar 2006 @ 22:13 by Prophetofthedevil @ : He brought it upon himself
Mohammed has brought this upon himself. He endorsed s,ex with 9year olds, which he did himself. he took his cousin, his adopted sons wife. he was having rumpy pumpy 24/7. The Quran has extracts so violent and perverse in what they say that it can only be invented by a pervert not god.

Indeed considering his insistance that animals are ritually murdered in the manner they are (no drugs or stunning to reduce pain), incest, peadophilia, telling his followers to turn against non followers of him, and then making them all believe that this is in the name of god...this is the prophet of the devil in that i have no doubt, mohammed is the true enemy of god and decency  

29 Aug 2006 @ 18:34 by Who killed the mohammed cartoon makers? @ : Didint the romanjew puppets protect him

If there is freedom of speech in Jewish (Zionists, Romans, Protestant, media they would have published openly on TV how Allah killed the 2 Mohamed cartoon makers.

1 of theme was sitting in a restaurant and suddenly a swarm of at least a million killer honey bees attacked him. No one else sitting next to him got attacked by even 1 bee. The stings where on every millimetre of his body and even in his mouth, his longs and other internal organs including his balls.

(Note many people have made evil, porn and fitly insult pictures of Jesus and Moses and noting happened to them.)

The other mohamed cartoon maker died also a slow and terrible painful dead. And remember the Danish prime minister who said no need to apologise, first he looked very handsome like James Bond but now he got a diesis in his and he start looking like a baboon.

Why don’t they publish this on T.V.? Otherwise everyone will no that those puppets, dummies and graves they worship don’t help theme against the punishment of Allah
Anyway they are afraid of the reality. But they now that they are waiting to be guided by Satan and Omen

Jesus is a Muslim! He shall come and help Muslims to fight puppet worshippers, dummy worshipper, grave worshippers and all the other followers of omen and satan.

Finally Jesus will help Muslims to the row of Mohammed. And then he will Muslims to Allah!  

1 May 2007 @ 20:20 by mesut korkmaz @ : terbiyesizlik
böylesine rezalet kokan çirkin davranışı yapanlar insan olmaz gerek danimarka gerek israil bu sadece müslümanların değil büyük bir dünya ayıbıdır güya müslüman bir ülkede yaşıyorz yazıklar olsun... insan inanmasa bile saygı duyar.. danimarka karikatüründen sonra şimdide israil krizi çıktı böylesine embesil bir düşünceyi biz sıradan vatandaşlar sadece kınaya biliriz elimizden gelende bu hükümet olrak devlet olarak bu işe bi çözüm gelmesi lazım ... inşallah danimarkalı veya israilli biri karşımıza çıkar işte o zaman ALLAHIN verdiği kuvveti onlardan esirgemeyiz ....bu dünyada vermeselerde hesabını öbür dünyada söke söke alırlar şimdi mutludurla ama unutmayınki ALLAH inananlarla birliktedir .... ALLAHA emanet olun sevgili müslüman kardeşlerim bizi öldüreyen acu güçlendirir........  

31 Jan 2010 @ 04:38 by steve @ : islamic monsters
The Muslims' comments on here show how stupid and vicious they are. Always wanting to see people "in hell!" and in agony, and dead. What a foul pack of low-life imbeciles they are. Of course, given the contents of the Koran, who else would "subscribe to" such shit, but idiotic low-lifes?  

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