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 France opens secret UFO files2007-03-22 16:42
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France became the first country to open its files on UFOs Thursday when the national space agency unveiled a website documenting more than 1,600 sightings spanning five decades.

The online archives, which will be updated as new cases are reported, catalogues in minute detail cases ranging from the easily dismissed to a handful that continue to perplex even hard-nosed scientists.

"It is a world first," said Jacques Patenet, the aeronautical engineer who heads the office for the study of "non-identified aerospatial phenomena."

Known as OVNIs in French, UFOs have always generated intense interest along with countless conspiracy theories about secretive government cover-ups of findings deemed too sensitive or alarming for public consumption.

"Cases such as the lady who reported seeing an object that looked like a flying roll of toilet paper" are clearly not worth investigating, said Patenet.

But many others involving multiple sightings -- in at least one case involving thousands of people across France -- and evidence such as burn marks and radar trackings showing flight patterns or accelerations that defy the laws of physics are taken very seriously.

A phalanx of beefy security guards formed a barrier in front of the space agency (CNES) headquarters where the announcement was made, "to screen out uninvited UFOlogists," an official explained.

Of the 1,600 cases registered since 1954, nearly 25 percent are classified as "type D", meaning that "despite good or very good data and credible witnesses, we are confronted with something we can't explain," Patenet said.
This is their website. Seems to be down right now, so obviously it is popular. And it is a courageous thing to do. It would of course be more interesting if it were the Americans, who sofar haven't succeeded in coming up with more than phoney studies like Project Blue Book, that ignored most of their own data and concluded that nothing whatsoever has ever been going on, other than weather balloons and mass hysteria.

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23 Mar 2007 @ 06:02 by gravitonring : more alien stuff :)
even the science channel has depictions of alien creatures, proposed by real scientists, the real aliens are probably weirder than anything humans have imagined...i kind of agree with Arthur C Clarke: WHERE ARE THEY? :) i am SURE they are out there, except i think there is NO ONE on earth who has seen any alien other than microscopic stuff that falls to earth in the cosmic snowballs...maybe we ARE the aliens, we just grew from our 'cosmic seeds' :)

23 Mar 2007 @ 15:12 by ming : Aliens
I know quite a few smart people that I respect who believe that we probably are alone in the universe, because otherwise "they'd have been here by now". Like, it seems to be a common transhumanist belief. In part based on the idea that an intelligent race inevitably would want to go on and colonize their galaxy, and even if that was hard and took a long time, civilizations millions of years ahead of us would certainly have made it here by now. And since we don't see them, they probably don't exist.

But it is based on certain assumptions of how reality works. Essentially that it is a mechanical universe, and that everybody in it live in pretty much the same reality. 3-4 dimensions, gravity, etc. Where other emerging civilizations would be expected to invent fire, the wheel, start sending out radio programs, then make rockets, then start thinking of sending them to far away places.

That we don't see anybody, despite it being statistically very likely that they'd be there, might just as well indicate some errors in the assumptions. Such as that it isn't just about sending rockets over long distances. But maybe also about a meeting of minds being necessary before the realities are connected.

I think there's a clue in that a great number of possible alien contact experiences happen in dream-like settings, in a more fluid reality than what we normally think we live in. One is a lot more likely to meet some aliens while one is asleep than while awake. Which, for the more materialistically oriented observers is obvious proof that it is nothing but hallucinations and no further study is necessary. But another possibility is that this is the only likely way one can contact civilizations just as ours, very sure that our picture of reality is the correct one, and very unwilling to be proven wrong. But when we're in altered states, like when sleeping, we're clearly more open to other possibilities.

To a reasonably advanced alien civilization, the whole human race might appear as a bunch of hopelessly catatonic beings, stuck in our own little fantasy world, oblivious to what exists outside it. So, even if millions of them jump up and down right in front of us, we're not seeing a thing.

Our beliefs, our world views, are based on mutual agreement amongst us. Even science. Science is based on a group of select individuals agreeing on a set of rules, agreeing on what they see, agreeing on what it means. And agreeing to only accept something new if it fits their agreed-upon criteria for what an acceptable new thing would be like. Religion works the same, except for that there little room for accepting anything new.

Maybe all shared world views function like that, by agreement. But to be able to transcend different world views, or different realities, I suppose one needs some kind of meta understanding of that. And I think that the reason we see no aliens, or we only see flukey, fuzzy aliens, is that humanity hasn't quite evolved to be able to span realities. We're still busy arguing or killing each other over which one is the right one.  

23 Mar 2007 @ 16:27 by bushman : Hmm,
I still dont think the so called aliens come from light years away, I think most of what we see as alien craft, are just equipment from advanced races that evolved right here on Earth, they became sepratists/isolationists, and study thier pets. Biblicaly writen info also backs my view, as the story goes, the so called head angel, Lucifer, didnt agree with the party line and was booted to this planet along with his loyal followers, then goes on to say that Lucifer ruled over intelegent life for eons, then man was created to do Lufifers job, at which point pissed off Lucifer so much, that he rebuked mankind, and still hates humans to this day. They live among us daily and now we are sort of caught up, our equipment sort of resembles the anciant tech, and now we cant tell whos equipment is whos. Imagine if the advanced peoples flew thier jets around 100 years ago, it would give away the hidden, but now they can move freely around us, and we just cant tell. Like Tesla, he could of faked his death, and with the tech he knew could of easily built a community, hidden in the sea, or under the ice at the poles, and kept advancing on thier own with out us. They could be the ones who built bases on the moon, and Mars, with the tech we had 50 years ago. There is plenty more evidence that backs up my assumption. I mean, if I was Tesla, Id of said, Im sick of you gov people getting in the way of natural progress, we,ll just build our own area and leave you in the dust. Really, how many of us so called new agers, would jump at a chance like that? Big ass mother ship shows up, built by a few of your friends, all self sufficiant and for the most part indestructable. Hey you got to check out this great party spot on the Moon. Want to go for a ride? :}  

24 Mar 2007 @ 13:00 by gravitonring : aliens from where :)
suppose the aliens are OUTSIDE of our cosmos, membranes coinciding with us, really far out laws of physics or no physics at all? they could be in our dreams or any thought process; possibly inside our cosmos the same awareness would coincide without thoughts? there is no doubt they exist or once existed or will exist physically, maybe even existing eternally in the awareness, no longer tied to a tiny focus like human form?  

24 Mar 2007 @ 17:37 by ming : Alien aliens
Yeah, and the trouble is that if they really were from a very different place, like outside our universe, or somewhere with different laws of physics, then maybe it would only be crazy new age people who could entertain to communicate with them, but science would comfortably be able to reject it as nonsense, because there'd be nothing like a physical proof.  

25 Mar 2007 @ 03:54 by gravitonring : some of my ideas about science
In my opinion, the physical world is determined by finite chaos, meaning that chaos forms a template because of the irreversibility of time. Whether the template is called science, history or whatever, it measures the results of random events, or at least basically unpredictable events.

I believe that there is no dogma in science, and there is no science in any type of dogma, such as religious beliefs...science is ONLY a test of reality, so I agree with physicists who say string theory is beyond science, because EVERYTHING is beyond science; Science should be free from any dogma, because nothing can define causation.

Eternal inflation and self-reproduction of the universe is a phrase that I learned from Andrei Linde. You can find his home page, and an article discussing eternal inflation here: http://www.stanford.edu/~alinde/ I agree with the idea that information is only an observation of stuff, an explanation of what stuff has already changed into; so for me, science is simply a template for measuring the outcome of chaos. http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0503195

On the website called What Is Chaos, http://order.ph.utexas.edu/chaos chaos refers to whether or not it is possible to make predictions about the results of events happening in the physical world.  

9 Apr 2007 @ 13:09 by Tuiliq @ : Snort.
Nutbars, one and all.  

28 Apr 2016 @ 22:23 by Patience @ : SczpUztRJrBmmb
Wow! Great job! I love that the universe can be such a small place! I saw Moonrise Kingdom here in L.A. the first day it was in thtserea. I just love that Jared has the doll. How nice of you! Happy Holidays!  

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