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Seven questions that keep physicists up at night

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 Seven questions that keep physicists up at night 2009-11-01 16:35
by Flemming Funch

That's in New Scientists. I'm glad there are questions that keep physicists up at night. That means that there are people doing science, of course, rather than just sticking with what they think they know. This is one of the questions:
What is reality really?

The material world may, at some level, lie beyond comprehension, but Anton Zeilinger, professor of physics at the University of Vienna, is profoundly hopeful that physicists have merely scratched the surface of something much bigger. Zeilinger specialises in quantum experiments that demonstrate the apparent influence of observers in the shaping of reality. "Maybe the real breakthrough will come when we start to realise the connections between reality, knowledge and our actions," he says. The concept is mind-bending, but it is well established in practice. Zeilinger and others have shown that particles that are widely separated can somehow have quantum states that are linked, so that observing one affects the outcome of the other. No one has yet fathomed how the universe seems to know when it is being watched...

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1 Nov 2009 @ 19:58 by swanny @ : October
This may be of interest to you as I was contemplating something similar last week and produced this short essay, It is though not without concerns and problems.

october 2009

When we, by somewhat consciously challenging our primal or base instincts or precepts, ie by doing or not doing something our instincts
want or "tell" us to do, we thus begin a "short circuiting" of sorts, of our "primal hardwiring, which creates a kind of "suspension of norms" where upon a new or different paradigm of perceptions and understandings, is thus facilitated and unconsciously begun to be compiled and or assembled by our heart and mind brains and by which we might or are then able through a somewhat systematic discernment of such, ie stalking oneself, and can thus ultimately produce a different and possibly more holistic configuration or system of perceived reality.

This then which itself can or cannot or might or might not thus disseminate and or influence and or effect those of our social circle or those in our immediate vicinity in a similar though perhaps less intense way, constituting and facilitating a "change of real reality" of sorts.

As well all of this thus effectively opening a door and general insights of sorts into a different and perhaps clearer way of seeing ie Don Juan definition of "seeing,, and understanding the world and such and by which as as whole itself might itself be considered to be a process and way of evolving towards a more evolved as well as integrated state of existence, being and experiencing.and what may actually be thus what Don Juan referred to as "moving the assemblage point".

Thus in short if we wish to evolve yet remain "integrated" to our past as well, the above process is perhaps an example of doing such.
It is though perhaps not for the weak of heart or mind perhaps because it can be highly disorienting at times.  

1 Nov 2009 @ 20:13 by Ariane @ : Amazing
Maybe, after a separation and a learning curve, science is getting back in touch with reality! :D

Very interesting. The observer effect. Almost like reading Dr Richard Barlett's Matrix Energetics book.

Implications are far reaching... How can we ever talk to anyone and agree on anything?  

1 Nov 2009 @ 20:38 by swanny @ : New Instincts
Well the problem Im encountering with it is one thus has to
build up and create a new repertoire and catalog of "new instincts" which is
kind of frustrating and a "trial and error" sort of process and somewhat amazing too so it is a bit of a double edged or triple edged sword of sorts.  

1 Nov 2009 @ 23:45 by ming : Science
I don't think real science ever lost touch with reality. But the word "science" has recently been sort of been hijacked by a materialist cult, and used in the same way as religious dogma, to prove that nothing exists which isn't already written up in the Big Book and interpreted by the Holy Priesthood.  

2 Nov 2009 @ 00:12 by mortimer : The riddle that raised Questions
do quantum experiments answer the age old philosophical question...
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
According to Zeilinger...  

2 Nov 2009 @ 11:39 by Ariane @ : "Science" hijacked by a materialist cult
Now, that is well summarized!

Yes, I meant that materialistic version of science, when I said it lost touch with reality.

The split only started a couple of hundred years ago, and only in a certain culture. But it became very dominant, shaping the world view of many, very forcefully - through education system, etc.

But now, it seems, a new unification process is going on. Great times.  

3 Nov 2009 @ 14:01 by mortimer : Blu Money
We need some type of newciv.org currency. Time to print our own money enit? Digital money. I be willing to back it with my art.  

3 Nov 2009 @ 14:21 by ming : Money
I was part of trying to make a local currency system once, but couldn't quite get the formulas right. Chalice. The tricky part is how to make it move towards being more attractive than OldCiv dollars.  

3 Nov 2009 @ 14:24 by swanny @ : Ecodollar
I have designed and created an ecodollar currency backed by the ecoconstitution which is written in English and French upon it. The problem is that most traditional currencies are backed by the Nations Army and Law so how do you compete with that.
Right now a $5 dollar ecodollar is valued at $4.95 Canadian. I could email you an unofficial jpg of it if you like but the problem remains of how to prevent forgeries and counterfitting. Right now the official version is available only in PDF format which allows reading of the econstitution on it but hmmm?  

3 Nov 2009 @ 14:37 by mortimer : Cook up one million
encrypted and with anonymous online tracking system. Have it check for forgery. No log accept for forgery's. Cook up one million digital certificates. Then email appropriations to all the active members.

Members can then begin offering goods and services.  

3 Nov 2009 @ 15:12 by swanny @ : Mints
Personally I don't trust the electronic and digital systems as eventually any encryption can be deciphered and bugs occur. Perhaps a G20 Nation of 20 local mints producing watermarked ecodollars, with a limited printing and then additional printings as per need. Funds could be backed or bought with existing currencies and loaned at maximum of 0.5% interest which would perhaps thus be the amount of new dollars injected in the system each year. The attraction and backing would be the values and sentiments contained in the ecoconstitution. Initial printing would perhaps be 7 Billion 5 ecodollars to allow one 5 ecodollar per person on the planet though not necessarily everyone would receive one initially. May B could back some of this with his gold and land holdings. Admin would be a concern too.  

4 Nov 2009 @ 09:30 by swanny @ : Jobs?
I think the way you appeal to the old civ new and old is with jobs.
But jobs that are more rewarding then just pay.
If you say instead, we don't want you to work "for" us,
we want you to work "with" us, and then pay them for work done in ecodollars,
and what kind of work, well hmmmmm? well I suppose the new civ has many tasks and callings
to be done as the old civ but how will they be different? And do away with the bs titles like CEO and CIO and call them like they are and say well the motive and inspiration here is for the wellbeing of the future and the enjoyment of the now.  

7 Nov 2009 @ 20:31 by scotty : S.E.L. GROUPS

SEL groups are slowly becoming more popular in france !


11 Nov 2009 @ 17:30 by Peter @ : Consciousness
I think and feel the big problem with these matters is people are trying to describe consciousness with just words, words are naught but labels, labels don't stick very well to shifting surfaces.

The problem is by the time you have labeled something, it has changed into something else, the only way to encapsulate these matters are equations.

Describing consciousness with just words would be akin to trying to explain how computers work and only teach C++, C, Python, Cobol etc etc, without explaining boolean algebra.

The vast gap about these affairs happens when we look for explanations as to what is occurring within the neuron. Questions like - what role does DNA play within the neuron.

I think I am right in saying, once the stem cell has matured into a neuron, it can no longer divide, so the DNA is not used to facilitate that process, perhaps DNA is playing a dynamic role in consciousness.  

12 Nov 2009 @ 13:33 by swanny @ : Reality
Well thanks and perhaps Peter
but I doubt if theres a formula or equation for reality.
And Reality , the now and "needs" tend to take precidence over navel gazing
and control aspirations. Reality thus is a function not of formulas but of experience and instincts new and old and it would seem and how you handle the present moment. There is no formula for that as each moment is somewhat unique and thus out of the "form" of
any and every "formula" ending eventually in the death of the individual but and its a significant but the "community" can live on.  

12 Nov 2009 @ 18:42 by Peter @ : Reality
It sounds to me like an important part of your anatomy is missing swanny.  

12 Nov 2009 @ 18:44 by swanny @ : brain vs Heart
Don't have much use for a brain there Peter
It just causes heart complications.  

12 Nov 2009 @ 21:13 by Peter @ : Reality
Who needs a brain when you have lots of money?  

12 Nov 2009 @ 21:34 by swanny @ : Neither
Well I don't have much of neither then but money only goes skin deep...
itself so not sure how to advise you...
keep yourself in good health is about the best I could advise
and that means lookin after yourself with the input I suppose of the modern health system but ultimately we are responsible for our own health what ever
that might mean to you or I, I suppose health is a subjective thing though too so I guess I haven't been of much help to you but then but I suppose you get what you pay for.



15 Nov 2009 @ 01:14 by Peter @ : Reality
Why do girls run the planet?  

15 Nov 2009 @ 02:06 by swanny @ : Reality 2
Well its not that anyone runs the planet I suppose
Its that a woman reality is different from a man reality
and therein perhaps lies the attractions and problems and confusion.
I suppose its one of those, "I don't really want to know that" things  

17 Nov 2009 @ 18:39 by a-d : Reality check !...
The Good Life Parable
and the next... called : "Uncaged." Yes on Prop 2: [link]  

17 Nov 2009 @ 19:03 by a-d : Ming, what do u think of this?


27 Nov 2009 @ 08:54 by vaxen : Reality...
1550, originally a legal term in the sense of "fixed property," from M.L. realitatem (nom. realitas), from L.L. realis; meaning "real existence" is from 1647.

Real (n.)

"small Spanish silver coin," 1588, from Sp. real, noun use of real (adj.) "regal," from L. regalis "regal." Esp. in ref. to the real de plata, which circulated in the U.S. till c.1850 and in Mexico till 1897.

Real (adj.)

1448, "relating to things" (esp. property), from O.Fr. reel, from L.L. realis "actual," from L. res "matter, thing," of unknown origin. Meaning "genuine" is recorded from 1559; that of "actually existing" is attested from 1597; sense of "unaffected, no-nonsense" is from 1847. Real estate is first recorded 1666 and retains the oldest Eng. sense of the word; Realistic "true to reality" (in art, etc.) is from 1856; meaning "having a practical view of life" is attested from 1862. Noun phrase real time is from 1953; get real, usually an interjection, was U.S. college slang in 1960s, reached wide popularity c.1987.

"Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand." [Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit"]


1916, "real estate agent," Amer.Eng., coined by C. Chadbourn of Minneapolis, Minn.; patented as Realtor in 1948 by National Association of Real Estate Boards.


1817, from real (adj.), after Fr. réalisme or Ger. Realismus, from L.L. realis "real." Opposed to idealism in philosophy, art, etc. In ref. to scholastic doctrine of Thomas Aquinas (opposed to nominalism) it is recorded from 1826. Meaning "close resemblance to the scene" (in art, literature, etc., often with ref. to unpleasant details) is attested from 1856.


1605, "not real," from un- (1) "not" + real (adj.). Slang sense of "wonderful, great" is first recorded 1965.

"Hence horrible shadow, Vnreall mock'ry hence." ["Macbeth," III.iv.107]


1874, coined from L. solus "alone" + ipse "self." The view or theory that self is the only object of real knowledge or the only thing that is real.



28 Nov 2009 @ 03:22 by a-d : Thanks,Dear..... : )
...that makes me feel beddahhh... ( "... "Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand." [Margery Williams, "The Velveteen Rabbit"] Really... A very good Reality!...Indeed! ...see...I was little concerned 'bout that!;) OMG!... :-)  

28 Nov 2009 @ 04:38 by mortimer : The consequences of faking it
"The study involved asking people to wear real or fake designer sunglasses, when in reality they were all the genuine article. Interestingly, those wearing the supposedly fake shades behaved less honestly in subsequent tests and were more likely to suspect others of behaving unethically." ~ [link]  

29 Nov 2009 @ 21:23 by vaxen : Talk about real!?

The games that scam the most, win.

There can be only one reason Facebook and MySpace turn a blind eye to user protection; they're getting such a huge cut of revenue back from these developers in advertising. If they turn off the spigot, they hurt themselves.

Scamville: The Social Gaming Ecosystem Of Hell
Michael Arrington
Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:10 PM

Last weekend I wrote about how the big social gaming companies are making hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue on Facebook and MySpace through games like Farmville and Mobsters. Major media can't stop applauding the companies long enough to understand what's really going on with these games. The real story isn't the business success of these startups. It's the completely unethical way that they are going about achieving that success.


And therein lies my point ~ Dubai is a dying monument to greed and excess, a crumbling sub-prime in the desert, and eventually the desert winds will reclaim it ~ for nature always outlives man's hubris and folly.


Johann Hari / The Independent Tuesday, April 7, 2009 [link]  

29 Dec 2009 @ 00:21 by a-d : Ming, check this out!....


1 Jan 2010 @ 13:00 by swanny @ : Happy 2010
Happy 2010 Ming


28 Jan 2010 @ 01:32 by Maria @ : Hello
Well its not that anyone runs the planet I suppose
Its that a woman reality is different from a man reality
and therein perhaps lies the attractions and problems and confusion.
I suppose its one of those, "I don't really want to know that" things  

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