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 Hydrogen on demand2003-04-26 23:47
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Raymond Powers reports on a company, Genesis World Energy announcing a device that apparently would generate hydrogen from water on demand, to be used in an (almost) regular combustion engine.
The Genesis HICEF is based on a revolutionary technology recently introduced by the Genesis Project in the form of the Edison Device - a residential and commercial energy generation unit that creates gas and electrical power through the separation of hydrogen and oxygen molecules contained in any source of water. At the core of this technology are the Genesis gCells, which break water down into its basic molecular structure through a series of electro-chemical processes, yielding ultra-pure hydrogen and oxygen gases. The reactant chemistry in the Genesis HICEF Technology is different from that of the Edison Device in that the gCells do not require many of the support processes needed in the Edison technology. The water supplying the gCells can be stored in special tanks that replace the ones currently used for gasoline in conventional fossil-fuel vehicles.
That would be nice. I don't understand where the energy comes from to do that. But hopefully it actually works.


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14 May 2003 @ 22:33 by ming : GWE
Sounded a little too good to be true, so I'd believe that.  

27 Feb 2004 @ 10:19 by robert hanson @12.35.250.38 : hydrogen on demand
This is the best way for using hydrogen in the car,because you're creating it on
demand there's no need for expensive and bulky storage tanks.  

7 Jun 2004 @ 09:17 by Lester V. Cramer @149.174.164.7 : hydrogen
I'm 88yrs woorked on engines all my life Too old now but sure hope i seethe day when some one comes up with hydrogen to take the place of gasoline.I enjoy reading about what you are doing keep up ihe good work>I think you'll break through sometime and we could all be using hydrogen.It's the ideal fuel
Les Cramer Youngstown Ohio  

26 Aug 2005 @ 20:32 by David Gordan @69.87.201.107 : Hydrogen on Demand (HOD)
as an inventor I scrapped the idea of going to an all Magnetic engine or electric vehicle. When I realized the most economical way to change our ways of transportation from Fossil Fuels is to go to HOD. Hydrogen on Demand is definitely the way to go. I have the plans for a unit to use as an addition to the ICE engines. It is very simple to use and install. Don't be fooled by the notion that it takes a lot of power for Water electrolysis. There is simple answer for this, low current and nominal voltage from an automotive electrical system. There is a Prof. in Russia that has proven this. Want to know more? email me : inventetc@gis.net Subject: HOD Thanks DG
 

16 Apr 2007 @ 09:27 by Scotty Thompson @72.189.193.102 : GWE & HOD
Where is the GWE and HOD today? 2007. I saw this in 2003 and had some interest but there is still nothing available as far as I know. How long do we have to wait for this>

Scotty  

4 May 2007 @ 17:32 by Harland @69.181.6.91 : HOD
You will never see it on a large commercial basis!!! The oil age is not yet over!!! When it is, then you will see the oil companies releasing their versions that they have had at their disposal for DECADES!!!! There is entirely too much money too be made in big oil. They have been buying up this technology for decades now knowing that their oil empires would not last forever and that hedging would be their only recourse to stay at the top of the food chain!!

Harland  

3 Jun 2007 @ 09:15 by Tony Lords @70.115.223.114 : Hydrogen On Demand
The concept of generating hydrogen on demand, HOD is simple and easy. Many inventors from Australia and the Phillipines have built successful prototypes that function quite well. Their design concepts use the (neg.)polarized feeder tube grounded to the car's metal frame which polarizes the emitting vapors properly to prevent corrosion of the pistons and valves. The vaccuum produced by the piston action of the engine will draw a high amount of (polarized) -H gas from the fuelcell generator on demand. Therefore, it is wise that a limiting regulator be placed between the fuelcell and the (atmospheric) mixer-tank which is connected to the intake system, whether carburator or fuel injection. Some experimentors have had great success with concentric cylinders or tubes made of high quality stainless steel spaced approx. 3-4mm apart. See back issues of Nexus Magazine circa 2002. source111[at]yahoo.com ~Tony2  

12 Jun 2007 @ 00:18 by Scotty Thompson @70.121.42.104 : Genesis World KEnergy
Isn't this the same Genesis that was going to produce a unit to power my house and sell the excfess back to the power company?? Isn't this the same company that said they were moving off shore to build a production facility for these units? I have yet to hear back from them in several years now. Who are these folks?  

25 Jun 2007 @ 21:14 by Chris V @84.65.111.119 : Hydrogen on demand
maybe an obvious question but hasn't someone done a simple calculation comparing the energy required to split the 2H from the O, and the subsiquent energy released when they recombine? I cant help thinking that the theoretical energy consumed/released ratio of H2O split/recombination would be close to 1:1? given that the internal combustion engine is roughly 30% efficient and then you have to generate electricity from that surely you will only be looking at having some 20% of the potential energy from the 2(2H+O) to put into spliting the water initially, you then have to find some additional energy to propell the vehicle??
the oil companies could then use their products to manufacture nice hi-tec plastics etc..
fascinated by the concept
Chris  

25 Jun 2007 @ 21:33 by bushman : Hmm,
I just want to mention here, that a guy found a way to set salt water on fire with radio waves, it may not power an internal combustion engine, but that dosnt mean that the contemperay engine cant be modifyed to run on steam. It does seem like a step backwards, but then if you think about it, its probably the next step steam power should of taken during Teslas time. Anyway with this new system, power plants dont have to burn coal, gas, or fuels, just solar power wind and battery for night time, just to power a transmiter that keeps the salt water burning, virtualy free energy thats clean. Still, just how much power has to be used to cause seperation? Probably would be better to just put up solar pannels and wind generators, and go direct. Theres plenty of roofs in the world. :}
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55934  

25 Sep 2007 @ 10:44 by Florin Popa @216.254.215.11 : HOD
I`m very interrested in HOD systems wich are working,i`v try same,not to much gas,but a lot of brown residue,wich is blocking gas acces .
I will really want to know sure if there is a working unit,eventualy build to see my self released by gasoline...  

8 Nov 2007 @ 19:42 by Rick O'shay @216.195.156.10 : on demand hydrogen
quick dancing in the light, feel like a target,is there a "L" on your forhead.
wont stuff for free you must be a democrat.... you can heat your house , cook your food ,run you car ....quick thinking 100% ......... 3% mix in the car. on demand ....1.5 volts at 70F . 1.7 volts you got a heater. the only thing or reason we are not doing hydrogen. dhemocrats can't tax it. but they will taxs you. i am hearing a 10 cent per mile. for cars.... hate to give a bad feeling you pants is down ,you are over the barrel and its comming. buy a pray rug dhemocrats are going to show us a new way  

3 Dec 2007 @ 02:22 by Steve @193.120.116.178 : HOD
Its great, aint it!!! Currently using a HOD system in my car, getting over 60% effeciency. (Im now getting 58mpg in a 2l mazda 626 PETROL) Best thing about it is, there is water coming from my exhaust, no co2!!!! And the car is actually faster on the throttle, (quicker response) Abit excited about it tbh :-) Its here to stay, finally........  

24 Dec 2007 @ 18:51 by john kangas @67.42.98.96 : H on demand
This H on demand stuff has the oil industry sweating bullets, i give them one more year before they are all bankrupt. I have built some crude on demand models and will verify that it works. I am working on a large scale gen set now.  

25 Dec 2007 @ 06:32 by Tony Morongo @64.27.5.211 : hod
Google hydrogen and either Kanarev, Rasmussen, Stan Meyer or Bob Boyce to get an idea of where this is going.

Great open-source plans with full explanations - amounts to a step by step tutorial, here: http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/  

3 Jan 2008 @ 02:35 by WILLIAM @76.3.101.193 : HOD
I'VE BEEN TRING TO GET MY HYDROGEN GEN. TO PRODUCE WHAT I THINK IS ENOUGH GAS TO POWER A VEHICLE..I'VE TRIED USING GALV. PLATES AND ALL I GOT WAS SOME BROWN GUNK-PROBLEY THE GALV. COATING FROM THE PLATES--ON TOP OF THE WATER, STOPPING THE FLOW OF GAS. THEN USED STAINLESS PLATES AND GOT LESS GAS. HAS ANY ONE GOT ANY IDEAS WHY?  

3 Jan 2008 @ 03:29 by bushman : Hmm,
Use platnum, but you wont make enough hydrogen on the fly, best you can do right now without a hydrogen generator and hydryde tanks, is to supliment your fuel use, like you can make enough hydrogen to idle your engine, but not enough to step on the gas. There are plenty of kits for sale on the net that will cut your gasoline use by a percentage, like during times your idleing waiting for a light to change. I think American nuclear has got a full system they are working on, but the gov wont allow his use of toxic chems for use in a hydryde storage tank. As well, there is a problem with running strait hydrogen in a typical engine, as the moisture does attack the cylinder walls and valve stems, but if you got the cash, you can get porcilin coatings and other types of coatings on those parts that would be attacked.  

9 Feb 2008 @ 04:56 by Terry @74.129.132.235 : Listen to this BUSHMAN
Don't listen to this guy BUSHMAN..... he has no idea what the hell he's talking about! You can do more than just idle your car, you can drive it..... Just google: Stanley Meyers, it just amazes me how some people think they "know-it-all" and spout off at the mouth with incorrect information. It's been done, will contine to be done! Just do a little reading, especially before you open your big mouth, and that goes for all of the rest of you dumbies on this fourm "and others" that continue to spout out negitive comments about hydrogen electrolisis being able to run your car!  

10 Feb 2008 @ 05:34 by bushman : Whatever
you say, cost is cost, if your going to power a moped, Terrys right, lol. Go ahead spend the bucks and see how long it lasts, driving it every day to work and back, take it on a trip , tow a travel trailer, do 0-60 in 3,4 seconds and stay at that speed all the way from NY to CA, only stoping for water, it cant be done. Without storage tanks and some sort of special coatings on the metal, cast iron will pit and rust. Maybe in 20 years they will have it down.
Heres this Myers site:
{http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html}

Heres the type of system one would need to make just any car run on hydrogen and still have the factory performance, and do the work it could do on gasoline:
{http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/h2.htm}

This is the simple add on unit I mentioned in my earlyer comment, as well there are a few simaler products on the market:
{http://easywatercar.com/2books.htm?hop=pentax}

Show me your Hydrogen powered car Terry. And I dont want to see some short range kickandgo 2 seater, that cant get out of its own way. Or have to be rebuilt ever 2000 miles. :}  

13 Feb 2008 @ 03:17 by MBA dude @70.104.126.37 : Show me
Show me a working HOD vehicle and I'll put the people and money together to make us all $millions$.  

21 Mar 2008 @ 06:50 by ocd @72.174.131.21 : Here's your proof
I see this thread has been going for a while. Throughout history technology has evolved. Whenever this happens some will claim the earth is flat as everyone knows or the earth is round as you will see...well, progress is being made in the area of HHO and here is just ONE example of many.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_5tE6TYWHA&feature=related

In the event my link didn't work please go to youtube.com and type in
"H2 Hydrogen Booster Intsalled in Merc Milan Car"  

29 Apr 2008 @ 06:45 by Caleb Davis @69.239.135.245 : HOD
I built one, its on my 65' corvair, works as i'd hoped. I can't find anywhere to help me put it on my fuel injected truck though. Too, with the internet this info is now out of big oil's control, people are spreading the word. It works !  

7 Jun 2008 @ 20:45 by John @72.202.207.193 : Doubling your fool economy?
People paying for these kits is hilarious. The circus man always said, "THERE'S A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE." METAL RUSTS PEOPLE.  

15 Jun 2008 @ 08:33 by Alvin @70.127.159.11 : Long term effects on the engine?
does anyone have this information or know where it can be found, I have heard that the hydrogen causes the engine to run hotter, and if so what would be the solution, oil cooler, extra radiator?  

2 Aug 2008 @ 07:32 by Nuts&bolts @70.78.163.180 : HOD fuel assist
I tried it - briefly - seems to work as claimed, however, it scares hell out of me when I consider the possibilities of severe damage to my only means of transportation.Think I'll be studying the whole thing for a long time before I try it again.Wish I still had one of my old vehicles.  

14 Aug 2008 @ 13:20 by Scraooy @166.214.209.175 : cast iron vs aluminum
Well I've read all the posts here and I know that seeing is the proof.older engines are made of castiron and newer ones are comprised of aluminum.but heres the thing what about the exhaust system if your emissions are water wont that fill the muffler and tail pipe with standing water till enough can overflow out the end...that to me will rust everything from the inside out..  

24 Aug 2008 @ 01:31 by bushman : Metals
Aluminum will corode just as easily. I dont think youd need to worry so much about water accumulating in the exhast system. Frankly if you want an engine to run on hydrogen and still last as long as OEM, you should use stainless steel where ever you can, they make stainless exhast systems for most cars. As well you might stick to older cars in that you dont have all the smog eqquipment that is manditory for newer stuff, alot of getting a smog certificate is about having the equipment installed and functioning, which in most cases if you are doing a hydrogen setup would just cause negative impacts, such as oxygen sensors that ajust fuel injection, so as you dont creat a lean condition in the engine. Ive heard that the oxy/heat sensor will throw off any benifits in milage because hydrogen tricks the computer into thinking its running hot so to counter that, it tells the injectors to add more gasoline. Stainless steel valves and piston and cilinder coatings is the way to go if your going to run hydrogen.  

25 Aug 2008 @ 12:49 by Rodney @72.173.112.124 : Scams???
All of you that think HOD won't work, also believe, we never but a man on the moon!!! I am not selling these generators, but have built and put one on my 1985 Toyota pick-up. It took me two months of trail and error, but it works. (More horse power and MPG) Any one with half a brain can do this and improve on this if you stop watching so much TV!!! I think there are some units that don't work, but there are alot that do! I want a law passed that says, everyone that said this would not work, has to use $10.00 a gallon gas.......watch what happens in the next five years to HOD!!!!  

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